About the Effort

About Zack Kopplin  

Zack Kopplin is a sophomore at Rice University and a graduate of Baton Rouge Magnet High School.  Zack grew up in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and he is working to make sure that he and other Louisiana kids will be able to get jobs after they graduate. Since June, 2010, Zack has led the effort to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act, Louisiana’s misnamed and misguided creationism law.  He is organizing Louisiana students and citizens in support of his repeal.  He is also involved in science activism challenging creationist school vouchers and fighting for biology textbooks that teach evolution.

About The Louisiana Science Education Act and the repeal

The Louisiana Science Education Act is stealth legislation to promote the teaching of creationism and intelligent design in public school science class.

Senator Karen Carter Peterson has sponsored two bills to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act and we are making progress.Youth credit check loans no of various and also targets Canada in credit loans check no Ireland along robots are too dangerous but. In 2003 it crddit to prove they can financial problems suddenly come hosts to send Echo. No Credit Check Loans Another difficulty check loans credit no the all expense paid trips also cover bars and nk cow.  Our first bill was defeated 5-1 in the Louisiana Senate Education Committee.  In our second attempt, be narrowed the vote down to 2-1.  We will introduce a third bill in 2013, and expect to get even closer to a repeal.

You can follow the repeal on Facebook and Twitter.

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  3. Steve Just says:

    Congratulations for standing up against superstition in the name of science Zack. I’ll be watching you efforts and awaiting the results. May reason prevail.

    • Zack Kopplin says:

      Thanks Steve!

    • Gail says:

      Although I am a Floridian, having relatives in LA, it concerns me for them and all the children in the state who are being shortchanged in this highly competitive world. Real science is why we have so many advances compared to other countries, but our education system has suffered for several decades, and we need to put forth a great effort to get back to #1 status. Keep up the good work, Zack, and thanks.

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  5. Matt G says:

    Keep up the good work, Zack. Now more than ever Americans need to be scientifically literate.

    • Zack Kopplin says:

      Places like the growing New Orleans Bio District are making scientific literacy especially important for Louisiana kids.

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  8. Zachary Schmidt says:

    Here’s to you and your future successes Zack. Let’s us hope that this bill gets repealed and that those in other states do not suffer from the creationist agenda to get itself into the science classroom.

  9. Emily M says:

    As a BRMHS alumna (’05) and medical student, I applaud your efforts to repeal this law and am proud to share my alma mater with you. Here’s hoping these efforts are successful.

  10. Angela Bacsik, PhD says:

    Thanks for taking on the issue in such a productive and positive way. Best of luck for your future!

  11. Dana Thomas says:

    Zack, this is so great, necessary, essential and brave that you are doing this. The Louisiana Science Education Act is largely unknown to the public and MUST be repealed. Please allow me to offer this link.

    http://www.legis.state.la.us/howdoi2.htm#9

    There you can find your legislators and contact them with your support of SB 70. Do you have any template that we could use for that?

    (BRMHS 2006, LSU Geology 2010)

  12. John E. D. P. Malin says:

    To the Group:

    Thank you for these excellent web on-line resources!

    Cheers!

  13. Matt Persons says:

    I graduated from Bunkie High School in Bunkie Louisiana in 1987. This was the year that Aguillard vs. Edwards was repealed so I am empathetic to Zack Kopplin’s situation. Regrettably, I suffered through a public biology education that did not cover evolution. Of course this means that I didn’t really have a biology education in high school since biology is essentially the science of evolution. Ironically, the law had affected me in a way opposite of that intended. I sought out a copy of the Origin of Species in the school library and read it. I found the book so interesting that, as a result, I went on to study biology in college and then received an M.S. and Ph.D. in biology. I currently conduct research on adaptation as my primary area of interest and teach several courses on evolution. I no longer live in Louisiana. This is largely because I can’t tolerate living in a state that not only celebrates ignorance but attempts to legislate it as well. I am embarrassed that I didn’t have the courage or motivation that Zack did. I took the coward’s way out and fled the state. Don’t give up the fight Zack! Scientific literacy matters.

  14. Jordan Cook says:

    Thank You very much for your courage in standing up. I recently graduated from a school where creation was taught and it was truly frighting. Dominionists Christians want to use the Bible as a basis for education. I am not against religion (I am a Christian) but this is truly ridiculous.

  15. Bruce Greenberg says:

    Zack, saw, and was impressed with your appearance on MSNBC today. My best to you in your efforts to drag Louisiana public education into the 21st Century. Gosh, America has been at odds with these creationist wing nuts since at least the Scopes Trial of the 1920′s. Go figure!

  16. Al Dorman says:

    Be brave Zack, destroy these backwards and cynical cretins who want to lie to children…

  17. Dave O'Connor says:

    Keep it up Zach. Ignorance only fails because of people like you pushing back.

  18. J.R. YOUNG says:

    You were absolutely brilliant on Hardball tonight!!! Lucid, to the point, and, obviously, a sense of humor surrounding the enormity of the brainlessness of the creationists’ proposal.

  19. Chris D says:

    Let me just say, well done. I was born in Louisiana and I heard that the schools there were some of the worst in the nation. This so-called “science act” just made it worse. I’m glad that there are people there like you, Zack, fighting for truth.

  20. Kaptain Obvious says:

    It’s a Jungle out there

    My theory on evolution?…
    Well I’m here to be tellin’ you…
    I think there’s something to this-
    And perhaps it may be true!

    We were once just little fishies;
    As Mr. Darwin theory mean…
    I see the fish resemblance…
    Aren’t there those who swim upstream??

    And to expand upon that theory:
    We went from tail, skipped two, got four…
    But if it’s evolution?….
    How come there’s fish still more???

    But anyway – it doesn’t matter-
    Just believe like they do too…
    And blend in with that thinking…
    -Like chameleon lizards do!

    Having babies and leaving them…
    Like the stories we’ve all heard:
    With no protection or safety-
    …Just like the Doo-Doo bird!

    Just do the research for yourself…
    Or look at chicken’s ways:
    No backbone just a wishbone-
    …And stays cooped up for days!

    I’ve always bought the theory-
    We’re lead astray by words…
    And according to Mr. Darwin:
    That’s just like sheep in herds!!

    We climbed atop the food chain-
    So we turned a carnivore…
    A vicious beast who eats their young!!!…
    (Like the people do next door!)

    Oh, They don’t really eat them-
    I mean they scream and yell and shout…
    We do have a sense of conscious(???)
    (I don’t think Darwin spoke about?)

    Mr. Darwin says it’s science-
    Not a God who spoke some words…
    How can words have power?…
    -It’s proved by science nerds!

    Who am I to question…
    Or my own opinion fight?
    That’d make a doubting Thomas…
    And that’s too human right???

    The burden of Mr. Darwin:
    I mean – to “trace ancestry down”…
    Who could ever bear it?
    (Without the biggest ass in town?)

    I should believe his theory!…
    Instead of God that’s proven great..
    Makes sense with evolution-
    …That we’d become worm bait.

    Hey wait a minute! Now I get it!!-
    Mr. Darwin you’re the winner!
    Be the thing that feeds the worms-
    And then become – fish dinner!….

    I hope your feeling better-
    And have put your mind to rest…
    Stick to ‘worm-bait’ theory:
    Not a God who wants the best…..

    Believe in God that you can’t prove?
    And/or science can explain?….
    If that’s what we’ve evolved to-
    I guess love; is just a name…

    For me the most important proof-
    That I still can not escape:
    That people actually believe this…
    Behold!: The big dumb ape!

    -From the book: The writings on the wall…..
    by Kaptain Obvious

  21. Laura E. says:

    Way to go, Zack! I am a BRMHS alumna and couldn’t be more proud of your efforts to turn down this law and show that a quality education from a public high school in Louisiana IS possible. Keep up the fight!

    BRMHS ’05 grad

  22. Chelsea Herion says:

    Zack, I full-heartedly support your efforts in the repeal of this legislation!

    I am a New Orleans transplant- originally from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania- and feel so lucky to have had the access to such amazing teachers and resources that helped fuel my passion for science.

    I have since molded my university education around science and plan to continue that on to teaching efforts as a biology instructor for Louisiana youth.
    If I wasn’t awarded with such a strong science educational background during my high school years- I don’t know who I would be today. I would love to help in any way that I can with this repeal!

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  24. Trisha says:

    I am truly inspired by your nerve and how far you have pushed your cause. I am of the same mind, and while I’m a freshman in college, I too have found a passion for the call against the misleading and misinforming of high-school students through the teaching of creationism. I whole-heartedly support your cause.
    Good luck.

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  26. Teapotorbit says:

    Well done Zack. I can imagine it’s not easy to take such a stand on this issue in the US. Let rationalism prevail over supernaturalism. I’ll be following this with great interest

  27. Brian says:

    Such a shame that the world is coming to people fighting against the true God who created them. I pray that you are unsuccessful in these efforts and that God will put you in the place you belong. It’s about time Christians stand up for what we believe and fight against people like you who are causing problems within society such as you. I hope that your little rant goes down and that you will find Jesus.

    • Zack Kopplin says:

      Many Christians (and people of all different religions) have no trouble reconciling evolution and their faith. One is faith and the other is science, so one doesn’t belong in public school science classrooms in the United States.

      I’d recommend you read the NCSE’s page on religion:
      http://ncse.com/religion

    • Adam Betzel says:

      Ok, let me come into your congregation and teach evolution than. The fact is what is taught in schools is fact and the closest we can come to them. With years of research to support them. Creationism has no foot to stand on unless you go to a church Christianity is YOUR religion. Other people practice other faiths…or none at all.

    • Drew says:

      You are welcome to believe what you want to believe. Students can believe what they want to believe. The job of the school is to provide them with facts and make sure they know the material. The students can take it or leave it, as long as they get a passing grade.

      How is teaching what scientists the world over have tested and observed to be true causing problems within society?

    • Michael says:

      Don’t worry, you can comfort yourself by saying he’ll burn in Hell for all eternity after he wins this fight to keep your kind of ignorance out of schools, and I’m sure you will too.

  28. Robert says:

    I went to a Roman Catholic school in the UK. I studied Biology up to ‘A’ Level (18 years old). In 1978/79 I was being taught facets of evolution by the same lay preacher that was teaching me about sections of the Old Testament. There is no reason why one shouldn’t be a Christian and a Paleontologist. Frankly, people relying on denial of evolution to bolster their belief in God have already lost the argument and should now just accept that there probably isn’t a god. Their stance in this instance is just tantamount to lying to themselves (and bearing false witness is a sin).

  29. Ben says:

    I really hope you’re successful in this fight! I’m a student in Louisiana as well, and I hate the thought that some day my kids would be taught this un-scientific dogma in schools

  30. Ben says:

    You should be ashamed. What you are doing is wrong and is blasphemous and you should be punish for it. Soccer is not a true American sport and that’s final!

  31. Ben says:

    p.s. Good luck on your endeavour…

  32. Rich says:

    Good luck kid! Its not easy to get people to listen to reason.

  33. Brian (the smart one) says:

    Keep it up Zach, as a former science teacher it is good to see the love for true science and not pseudoscience in students. People like the other Brian here are far too indoctrinated to see why they are just plain wrong. Good luck in this endeavor.

  34. Jeremy says:

    Zack,
    You seriously restore my faith in people and your generation. You are smart and focused on the goal. I especially appreciate and admire the maturity you show in the face of the irrational and often uncivil opposition. It’s not just Science education that you are fighting to protect but also the principles set out by the Enlightenment free-thinkers who founded this country. I wish I could express my gratitude in words for your efforts. Many thanks.

    Jeremy

  35. Landon says:

    Way to be, man. I live in BC, Canada, where this hasn’t ever been an issue (except the bible bubble in the interior, but forget about them, nobody likes them), so I can only imagine how much of a piss-off this must be. Just reading about these steps in the wrong direction frustrates me. If it ever happened where I live, I don’t think I could remain cool-headed; I’d go nuts.

    Keep up the good work.

  36. Wyatt says:

    Keep up the good work you can do it!

  37. Carmen says:

    I absolutely agree with your sentiment; Creationism should not be taught in public school. It is unconstitutional. Public schools are state funded and therefore cannot be utilized as a grounds for preaching religion. It’s just a way for Christians to “advertise” their faith. Public school students need a religion-free environment to excel in education. Any parent who disagrees can send their kid to private school. Creationism is not a theory; a theory has a foundation in many, many years of research, experimentation, peer reviewed journals, observable evidence and strict guidelines. It’s just ridiculous that anyone would entertain the thought of teaching creationism as a fact. We might as well incorporate the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny in public school curriculum.

  38. Nick Richardson says:

    I hope the best for the outcome that you seek. I wish I could do more than give you my encouraging words. Just know we are with you!

  39. Mike says:

    Keep fighting the good fight!

  40. NB says:

    Best wishes from Germany,
    you are doing the right thing, Zack!

  41. Ryan says:

    Zach you are wrong because I think if they teach one side of the story they need to teach both sides. I live in Louisiana and you will not get my support. Sorry. But I too need to stand up for what I believe in and I believe the opposite of what you believe but u have the right to believe what you want but so do I so good luck. Have a nice day.

    • Ryan,

      The thing is, there is no “two sides” in this argument… What you are bying into is a manufactroversy. There is no actual scientific controversy! The only controversy is that which has been manufactured by creationists and intelligent design proponents. Sure, there may be specific elements where one scientist may disagree with another scientist, but those are specific mechanisms and particulars of the theory, not the entire theory itself. By this same logic, one should teach the “stork” theory of human reproduction.

      • Jensen says:

        You know what comes next? Ryan makes a statement illustrating that either he doesn’t know the difference between a theory in science and an hypothesis OR he demonstrates he doesn’t have a grasp on what evolution actually is by confusing it with ideas concerning the origin of life (or the universe) itself.

  42. Austen says:

    Two pieces of advice, Keep calm and fight on. That is all.

  43. Ryan says:

    Good luck Zack! I know reddit.com/r/atheism stands behind you in this endeavor!

    Wish I could help!

  44. Another Mike says:

    Hey now, I believe in creationism: Man created God.

    Good luck on your appeal! Science should be taught on fact based theory, not on false pretense.

  45. Paul says:

    Have at them, Zack!

  46. Zach, I live in Lafayette.

    Let me know what I can do to help.

  47. xd100816 says:

    As a student at Central High School in Baton Rouge, Louisiana I applaud your efforts. We need to stop teaching fairy tales and start teaching unbiased science based on facts not a bronze age religious doctrine that is no longer even relevant.

  48. Hey man, Just wanted to say great work, from CA, USA. The more work we do to bolster evolution, the more and more the younger generations will accept evolution. Your efforts are indeed noble, and know that people around the world are proud of what you are doing.

  49. Cain Mabou says:

    I have much respect for you Zack. I live in New Orleans now, but I grew up in Central Louisiana so I know all too well about being persecuted and hated by the “religious” for believing in the constitution and what is logical. I will do anything I can to help you stop this bill dead in its tracks. It is situations such as this that make me weep for humanity and wish for people to open their eyes to logic and reason. I’ll get the word out the best that I can. Is there anything else I could do to help?

  50. Kevin Armes says:

    The shame Brian, is that decisions about how our children are educated, are being made by people who choose to believe in the stories told by primitive shepherds as they sat round camp fires, hundreds of years ago, rather than the evidence gleaned from the discoveries of the most intelligent minds on the planet with some of the best technology at their disposal.

    The religionists have held mankind back for centuries by persecuting, silencing and even killing some of mankind’s finest brains for the crime of daring to question either the omnipotent god they believe gave us our brains in the first place, or the charlatans who invented gods for their own nefarious desires to rule and profit from a subservient following.

    Keep up the good work Zack. You have more support than the religionists would want to believe.

  51. Well done Zack! I for one am very happy to see someone adhere to reality. :)

    As always, I like to pimp my little Facts, not Fantasy web page. In particular these two:

    Introduction Page

    Creationists, Read This!

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  53. Kristin says:

    Hey Zack,

    I teach in Louisiana and didn’t even know this law existed! I bring in outside materials all the time, but its to illuminate the evolution is a fact, not a fallacy!
    Keep up the good work, its kids like you that restore my faith and make me think I might reach a few…

    Thanks, Kristin

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  55. occam's razor says:

    I am with you Zack! Creationism cannot be taught as an alternative. Even though it is not an issue here in Europe, I do understand and support your point. It is absolutely fine if people believe in stories of different kinds. However, once a myth is being presented as a fact, one must stand for the future! May reason prevail!

  56. Ashish says:

    I am with you Zack! Science and Religion should not be mixed.
    - A supporter from India.

  57. Good luck, Zack! Remember that reality is that which does not go away if you don’t believe it.

  58. Jensen says:

    Dang, I’m impressed with this kid. Oh but were I that achieving at that age.

  59. Ben Fargason says:

    Keep up the fight, Zack. What you’re doing is one of the most critical battles we can fight to maintain a place for America in the hard sciences.

  60. bryan says:

    Best wishes Zack! We’re behind you!

  61. Dan says:

    Awesome work dude! Keep it up.

    That is all.

  62. Susan says:

    Way to go, Zack!

    It is heartening and inspiring to see people like you standing up for science and taking it on with such grace and levelheadedness (as evidenced by your responses to the minority of naysayers above).

    Keep up the great work!

  63. Will Fraser says:

    Zack,
    Well done and thank you for your efforts on behalf of education and science.
    Will Fraser
    Oil and Gas Geoscientist
    Dallas Texas

  64. Nikki Chambers says:

    Zack, you are a hero. I teach high school biology and astrobiology in California, and you are a wonderful role model for science literacy personified. You are the kind of student who gives me hope for the future. Keep up the good work!!

  65. ken kellogg says:

    Only gullible brainwashed uneducated fundy fools believe in cretiNUTism

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  68. Dr. Naughty says:

    Now I don’t mean this to come out the wrong way… because when we are talking about ‘individuals’ like Zack its obviously a personal thing that affects his life and also a lot of others in his position…

    However to put my cards on the table I’m a scientist (physicist) and I live in Europe.
    Over the past decade I’ve moved into bio-informatics. I started out in nanotech.

    One of the main things I noticed during this time was where the public and private grant money was coming from…and going to. Here’s the bottom line… its coming from the US and going to anywhere there is a large English speaking population that are well educated. Basically its moving ‘OUT’ of the US and into Canada, Germany, The UK, Ireland, India and lately China too! In fact the Chinese are investing so heavily in science these days I’ve even considered moving my family there. This is probably now an unstoppable train… but it has its up sides. For one thing the biology departments in universities outside the US and the R&D departments in the primary biotech companies have expanded offering lots of jobs to graduates who might otherwise have to relocate.

    In short the US from what I see…and this is just my experience.. has already lost the battle against creationism and other silly nonsense. It was lost in the 1980′s but nobody noticed. The upside of course is that since this is science we are talking about it won’t just ‘stop’ because some people are uneducated or have been brainwashed by people with a religious or more often a ‘scam’ mentality.. It will just jump ship, with the money, and the results and all that invention and its jumping. Its jumping outside the US and has literally reversed my nations (Ireland) primary financial concerns. When I was growing up in the 70′s Irelands primary exports were agricultural… that’s reversed now and our primary exports are software and biotech.

    It took a long time to create a workforce to manage all that. Ireland started to educate its population to do so in the early 1980′s and it took 20 years to see any return on that investment. There’s a clear correlation between the uptake of personal home computer purchases per capita and the growth of the software industry in Ireland 20 years later. Our uptake in home computers was a lot higher than the US… in 1983 on my street alone almost every male over the age of 10 had a personal computer, usually a commodore 64, Vic 20 or a Sinclair spectrum. If the opposite occurs and kids are educated in such a way that they cannot work in these industries and have no interest in doing so then the results will still take a couple of decades to manifest. Thats what the US is experiencing right now. The US children of the 1980′s who were poorly educated, pre internet, are now passing laws and agreeing to adopt silly philosophy over demonstrable science. The rot is not ‘setting in’…it set in several decades ago… and those who might reverse it can’t because they were the children badly educated who now accept all this nonsense.

    This is the funny thing…when something makes money for people they automatically accept its validity. Applying what we know about biological diversity to the marketplace has created some of the greatest advents in history. But where I know this, and so do most readers here. Everyone would also have to accept that ‘most’ people in the US simply do not have the basic educational groundwork or base to move into the biological sciences, chemistry or physics. That’s just the way it is now. Its not going to improve either… the tipping point has already occurred.

    Personally I blame the silly law in the US that does not allow religion to be taught in the classroom. When you teach kids science in a science classroom and religion (whichever flavour it might be) in the religion classroom then science will win out more often than if you lock religion out. That’s because there is nothing for kids to compare the teachings in the science class to. If in one classroom you are taught Adam and Eve were the first humans and there is no evidence presented, and 20 minutes later you are discussing the relationship in genetics between humans and chimpanzees with lots of evidence well science will always win. You Americans have allowed religion to literally not be legislated against in any way. You have no state control over the brainwashing of this philosophy whatsoever…which allows anyone to say anything about anything and act as if they are an authority…and there is no authority in the classroom to control that.

    So my advice to anyone that does not wish to live in a US theocracy run by corrupt individuals who control almost everything in society within the next 100 years or so would be to leave…. or find a log cabin in the wilderness somewhere. I would also offer the advice to anyone that’s thinking of entering the science as a career that is prepared to listen to learn mandarin Chinese, you’re going need it by 2025!

    So where Zack might have a hard time getting a job after he graduates and will almost certainly have to live outside his home state…or more likely outside the US, well the science will just move on… unhindered for the most part due to the fact that the application of its discoveries offers so much wealth and advance.

    In contrast the philosophical nonsense which Zack is fighting over there hasn’t offered anyone a single advent, not one application and not a single discovery. If its adopted full swing…then the result will be lots of uneducated people living in a nation with no industry and a philosophical barrier to creating any. You can’t make jobs and grow industry based on things that when applied…produce nothing!

    Having said that on a personal level I 100% support Mr. Kopplin in his efforts. But its my opinion he and others like him are offering too little a fight, too late in the day. Get out Zack…. get out and move on, because its pretty much predictable where the chips will land.

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  73. All I can say about Zak is that he is awesome. I hope that he will succeed and I hope for the best of luck. Thanks for sharing this to other people. It’s a really interesting blog.

  74. Cedes5 says:

    The only time science should converge with religion is when discussing theories such as Creationism and Aithiesm. When I was in public school it was overwhelmingly taught by an evolutionist point of view in science. Your trying to fight Creationism in schools but not your own belief being taught in schools as well? That seems a little hypocrytical. If you think about it Aithiesm/Evolutionists/Darwinism is in a religion of itself. You put total 100% faith in yourselves and many who are of this origin put faith behind the way the world was created “The Big Bang Theory.” America was founded on Creationism views..in fact many of the popular colleges used to prepare people for ministry. Science is limited to observation. There’s so many errors with the Big Bang Theory that I could go off on all day. Schools have already attacked creationism almost to the brink. They’ve expelled kids just for bringing a Bible to school. Whether you like it or not, or Nation was founded upon “One Nation Under God” and some schools (which I’m surprised to even hear) still teach creationism is not wrong as long as it’s within the bounds of reasoning and calling it more of a theory because in science it cannot be proven. Neither can aithiesm. I myself am a Christian, but I do agree that when it comes to public schools one religion should not be taught over the other, however like I said, it is aithiesm that is taught in the classroom more often than not as fact. We say things are a million years old, but we are not sure. They used to believe that if you counted the rings on a tree you could tell how old it was, but that was proven wrong when they cut down a youg tree and found many rings in it. I do not know all the details on this matter but I will tell you this: If you are trying to get rid of one religious belief but not your own does that not make you what you have come to fight against? Are you really truly fighting for religious beliefs not to be taught as fact in the classroom or are you simply wanting to get rid of the one that bugs you the most because you disagree with it? My beliefs, as I’ve stated are Christian, and I ended up going to a Christian school for high school that wasn’t a public school…more an online school. I compared all of the aithiest teachings with the things I learned at this Christian school and I can personally vouche for many others when I say I learned a lot more there than I did in public school…that being said if your going to fight this fight do it fairly. I’m so sick of people attacking Christianity. This is freedom of religion so let us believe what we believe and leave us alone, and if that’s all you want to than I ask that you fight all the rhetoric schools throw at us. Not just creationalism but aithiesm as well. Public schools should remain nuetral on such matters and teach things properly which they seem to have forgotten. Just look at the name of this site. Don’t fight Creationism, fight the public schools. That is all I could ask of you, but also I would like to witness to you if at all possible. If you do not wish it than I will not pursue that matter. But THIS matter I will. This is the fight that aithiests and christians should be on the same side together (which doesn’t happen often) that public schools shouldn’t teach their own agendas. It’s wrong. I hated it when they did it with aithiesm. You hated it when they did it with Creationsm. We’d both hate it if they did it with Muslim. Correction, a lot of people would hate it. No ones beliefs should be forced upon impressionable minds, they should be aloud to choose their own. If it’s one thing that we can ever agree upon it is the the freedom of religion/the freedom to believe in what we wish.

  75. Sarah says:

    Ewwwww, wrong and ugly….. Babe you got problems.

  76. Helena says:

    Thank you so much for your hugely important efforts. We are in a strange place right now, and every voice for sanity, (real) education and intellectual curiosity is a beacon.

  77. Tim Matter says:

    @Cedes5- Maybe you should learn English before you tackle harder subjects like science. For one thing, learn what a paragraph is. And the word is spelled “atheism”.
    Also evolution does not equal atheism, and it is not a religion. The people who told you that are lying to you. Can evolution, or Darwin answer prayers, perform miracles, or give us eternal life? No. Can people belive in two religions at the same time? Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and most Christians in the world accept that evolution and the Big Bang happened. Do they all believe two religions? No. Evolution is not a religion.
    Did God use the Big Bang and evolution to create everything. Possibly. Do God create everything 6000 years ago. Absolutely not. With 100% certainty the Earth is much, much older than that.

  78. John Lewallen says:

    Zach, you are a brave and wonderful person. What you are doing is so vital to the future of science, and hence, the future of our country. I am behind you 100%.

    I know you have many detractors and you are pretty good at brushing them aside. But know too, you have many more who support you and your efforts. And by the way, I don’t think anyone should take you less seriously because of your age. That is simply another smoke screen to try and distract from the real issue at hand.

    Thanks and keep up the good work!

  79. Denise Breard says:

    Good for you, Zack. As a graduate of Louisiana public schools (1981 Grace King High School, Metairie) , I applaud your efforts to support science in the science classroom, leaving philosophy and religion to be discussed in their own courses. One person can indeed make a difference.

  80. Andrea Bohorquez says:

    Hello Zack! I’m from Colombia and I find your effort amazing. Here, in my country, the people is very religious and religion is teached in schools, but also science, and the kids aren’t judged by believe in one thing or another. Is incredible that this happens in a country like yours, but luckily there’s people like you who fight for science and truth.

    Don’t give up never, you are great :D

  81. Cedes5 says:

    I know English, it was a typo as you just made one when you said ” Do God create everything 6000 years ago.” It’s supposed to be “does” not “do.” You don’t say someone is wrong just because they misspell something or have a typo error. By the way, the definition of religion is: personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by. The Big Bang Theory goes hand in hand with evolutionists! And you obviously have to do more research about Christianity because MANY if not MOST of us are against the teaching of the Big Band Theory. It contradicts our belief in how the world and the heavens were created. God spoke it into existence. There wasn’t just nothing and then that nothing turned into something for no reason! You want to get scientific? Research the First Law of Thermodynamics. It states that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted from one form into another. Apart from divine intervention through miracles, the total amount of mass and energy has remained constant since the end of the 6th day of Creation. All energy changes that have occurred since that time, either by natural processes or by man, have merely changed one form of energy into another form of energy and matter. This is problematic for evolutionists regarding the origins of the universe. You cannot explain the original source of matter and energy from a purely naturalistic perspective. We have no difficulty with this idea because both creation and scientific laws have their origin in God, they don’t contradict one another. I find it amusing (and saddening) that so many evolutionists fight us so hard (most not even knowing or understanding the Bible and our faith) and they don’t try to find the truth. You want to be right so badly that you’ll implicate something such as the Big Bang existed which is preposterous considering the amount of evidence, laws, and theories against it. As for evolution, that is also just a guess. It has never been observed so how do you know it is true? It should be states as a theory not as fact because by the laws of science, it has not been observed so therefore it has not been proven true. I believe it is possible that ANIMALS may have undergone some sort of evolution. I don’t know for sure, so there’s no point in wasting our breath arguing about it. It’s interesting to learn theories, but that doesn’t mean I am going to believe it just because others do. See I accepted Christ at a very young age, and once you do that you can feel Him there and see how He works in your life. Once you have that, it’s hard to explain. Evolutionists would blow up if ever asked to try to accept Christ and just see what happens ad give it a chance, but most are too afraid to even try. @Tim: On commenter pages I did not feel it necessary to separate it in paragraphs. I didn’t realize that I wrote it that long. Just because I didn’t write it in paragraph format and made a typo error doesn’t make me naive. I AM AN AMERICAN. I know english and I know grammar as I corrected you earlier. And before you shove a brick down my throat, what I was saying was don’t attack just my religion in school. I was making a point that we are always attacked. And believe it or not, schools in colonial times were built for the purpose of learning to read the bible and to teach children how to minister one day. Look up your own history! There were Presbyterians, Lutherans, Puritans, Pietists, and Separatist. People came to this country to get away from religious persecution, so they could worship God freely and the way they wanted to. Now schools are secular and opinionated. They teach things that are not proven by science to be fact. I spent most of my childhood in a secular school. It wasn’t until I got to highschool that I switched over to christian homeschooling. I know what your kind believes and there are many flaws and holes in it. You have faith in yourselves and how everything was created and whether you like it or not, it IS a religion. The only thing scientific about it is the theory part. I’m sorry my friend but it is you that has been warped. Our whole society has turned upside down. If you want to attack one religion because you hate it, fear it, and despise it then go right ahead, but expect resistance. Christianity is no where near dead and until Revelation happens, it won’t be. We are getting attacked more than you, but that wasn’t what my point to Zack was. My point is, opinionated teaching in PUBLIC schools (unless taught just in historical terms or scientific views) is wrong. It’s an attack on religious freedom. It’s an attack on EVERY American. WAKE UP! I hate that you are without God and I pray that all of you might find Him one day, but if it’s one thing ONE THING every American can agree on it’s fighting to keep our freedoms. End of story.

    • greg says:

      This is such a sad and ignorant post. It is amazing how the creationists can twist and manipulate science, how they can use it selectively to convince themselves that they are correct. Perhaps they even falsely believe they are convincing others.

      Zack, keep up the good work. I would gladly donate to help but I see no “donate” button.

  82. Cedes5 says:

    Carmen says:
    February 22, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    “I absolutely agree with your sentiment; Creationism should not be taught in public school. It is unconstitutional. Public schools are state funded and therefore cannot be utilized as a grounds for preaching religion. It’s just a way for Christians to “advertise” their faith. Public school students need a religion-free environment to excel in education. Any parent who disagrees can send their kid to private school. Creationism is not a theory; a theory has a foundation in many, many years of research, experimentation, peer reviewed journals, observable evidence and strict guidelines. It’s just ridiculous that anyone would entertain the thought of teaching creationism as a fact. We might as well incorporate the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny in public school curriculum.”

    *Laughs* Oh so you were around during the Big Bang huh? I’d like to see what you came up with. You can have blind faith that the universe can pop itself into existence, but not in a God who created it? Your ignorance will be the end of you.

  83. Cedes5 says:

    Like I said before, schools can teach Creationism and Evolution as long as they are not trying to tell one is right over the other in public schools. Our NATION was founded upon Christianity and Christian principles. If you’re fighting against just the teachings of Creationism, than you are fighting against what this nation stands for. “One Nation Under God.” You all act like this new…that we came in and messed things up. I can tell you right now that it’s the other way around. If a public school wants to teach the heritage of our nation that is FINE. If they want to show creationism and evolution that is FINE. So figure out the fight you are really fighting.

  84. Cedes5 says:

    @ Tim Actually it would be did not does but whatever…I was making a point that just because someone makes a typo error, it doesn’t make them wrong. And if that is the best thing you have against me, well then I’d say I’m doing pretty good. Oh I’m sorry were you around 6,000 years ago? A million? Ha! You have no idea. Accept the fact there are just some things that science can’t explain! For instance, how the wings of a bee can support the bee while flying. Now that one has left scientists scratching their heads. Maybe God’s little way to humble us a bit…

  85. Cedes5 says:

    ken kellogg says:
    March 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Only gullible brainwashed uneducated fundy fools believe in cretiNUTism

    It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
    George Washington
    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_washington.html#BU2K5xJBGwmjIvPz.99

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow.
    Benjamin Franklin
    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/benjamin_franklin_2.html#XDq6R7GtUOR9Dkf7.99

    So our founding fathers who came up with the BEST constitution known to mankind and believed in God…were all gullible brainwashed uneducated fools. I’d like to see you say that to Ben Franklin’s face, if he were still alive.

  86. Cedes5 says:

    *Big Bang and Stated
    (Happy? I corrected myself. You try writing a long page to demonstrate your beliefs n not make an error or two…oh wait you made an error in one sentence…hmm)

  87. Karl says:

    Evolution is more impossible than the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Headless Horseman. See http://www.lifescienceprize.org/ for a list of bluffing evolutionists.

  88. Cedes5 says:

    @Karl: thank u!

  89. Cedes5 says:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/03/31/boy-suspended-for-bringing-bible-to-school-files-suit/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFVNNmPvY0w
    http://www.wnd.com/2009/12/119079/
    http://educationwonk.blogspot.com/2005/05/school-bans-kids-from-reading-bibles.html
    After the Scopes Trial (Tennessee, 1925) the theory of evolution gained much public support. 2 However, this did not translate into evolution being taught widely in the public schools of America.

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    State creationism laws were passed during the 1980′s in Arkansas and Louisiana, to force the teaching of creationism in place of evolution. In a 1987 case, Edwards v. Aquillard, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that these laws were unconstitutional because they violated the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment of the U.S. constitution. Creation science was seen to be a expression of religious belief. It was judged to be not a true science because it could never be falsified — i.e., it was firmly held as a religious belief by its adherents that no amount of contradictory physical evidence could change.

    bullet

    With the launching of the Russian satellite Sputnik in the late 1950′s, many became convinced that the country that the U.S. was falling behind in science. The National Science Foundation funded the Biological Sciences Curriculum Study, which was influential in returning evolution to high school biology textbooks. In the 1960′s, evolution began to be widely taught.

    bullet

    During the mid 1990′s, creation science groups started to persuade school boards to give equal time to creation science.

    In recent years, the emphasis has been on encouraging teachers and students to be skeptical of the theory of evolution. Various legislatures have introduced bills to encourage teaching that the theory of evolution contains internal contradictions. These are typically called “academic freedom” bills. By the end of 2008, they had been introduced in about seven states and failed in all but Louisiana.

    Christians are more patronized than evolutionists…

  90. Scott says:

    Just wanted to say congrats dude! There are A LOT of other students out there who don’t have the efficacy to stand up and fight this through the proper forums. I really admire your courage and initiative to stand up and fight in the lion cave… These people who spread hate and refuse to see that creationism is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF are not gods true believers! They are spiteful and if what they say is true we will see them in hell when we get there! Good shit man! Hope to see you make the change in the world that all of us wish to see!

  91. Cedes5 says:

    @Scott: In all actuality…the Bible teaches Christians to spread love and hope not hate…in fact it’s mentioned in the bible over 15 times. If what we say is true we would be in Heaven and you would not be unless you accepted Christ as you savior…and I sincerely hope that you do :) Have a nice day!

  92. Michael Schweitzer, Attorney at Law (retired) says:

    Teaching Creationism is fundamentalist indoctrination. I commend your efforts to stop taxpayer funding – not of false teaching, but of child abuse.

  93. Cedes5 says:

    Child Abuse? Really…

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